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Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Vendredi 06 Août 2021, 10:53:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iuvyhWL.jpg)

838-14174 midi drive
FFB CONTROLLER PRO
Initial D3 Motor

How should I connect them correctly so that they can work normally on the PC
Is there a schematic reference?
What am I missing?

Thanks

simulate~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Vendredi 06 Août 2021, 11:01:20 AM
Start here :

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1d2D6AD6aovME_twogujptYNjNHbW_VdJ?usp=sharing

other informations here :

https://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?topic=42310.0

and here :

https://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?topic=42842.0
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Tibal le Vendredi 06 Août 2021, 18:49:37 PM
To answer your personal message, here are some more information from my personal experience, but they are mostly specific to the NON-PRO version of the FFB Controller :
https://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?topic=43434.0 (https://www.gamoover.net/Forums/index.php?topic=43434.0)

However it should help you a bit to understand how everything works.
If you need explanation or translation, feel free to ask here.
Good luck !
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Dimanche 08 Août 2021, 06:07:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1TOWhgw.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/g2ebNDE.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHcJNgH.jpg)
IO version link left right
What did I miss?
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Dimanche 08 Août 2021, 08:44:05 AM
Have you flashed the Sega FFB Pro ?
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Dimanche 08 Août 2021, 17:47:01 PM
I flicked PC_To_SegaFFB MIDI,
But enter 3 in the cmd window,
The equipment is com3,
Is this correct

Thanks~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Dimanche 08 Août 2021, 18:44:25 PM
The com port depend of your computer. Can you tell me if the led on the Sega FFB pro is blinking ?
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 01:32:22 AM
The pc uses the win10 ltsc version, the ffb pro light is flashing, and the system will be tested after reinstalling
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: njz3 le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 01:41:52 AM
The log of the BackForceFeeder shows that the communication between the PC and the mega on the FFB Pro does work correctly, since the board reports its version.
It fails when the steering wheel initialization command is sent, which probably means you have a communication issue between the FFB Pro and the servoboard.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 06:35:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/COzfaSA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LDKr2Kz.png)

838-14174 driver link as shown
ffb pro connect TX+ TX- RX+ RX-, is this correct?
What am i missing
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Tibal le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 10:50:54 AM
It's a too low quality to see, but you should have :
pin R- R+ T- T+ of the FFBC respectively connected to pin 5 6 7 8 of the driveboard
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 15:34:17 PM
Citation de: Tibal le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 10:50:54 AM
It's a too low quality to see, but you should have :
pin R- R+ T- T+ of the FFBC respectively connected to pin 5 6 7 8 of the driveboard
yes~


(https://i.imgur.com/oXDf9LK.png)

There are new problems in reinstalling win10
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: njz3 le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 15:40:13 PM
The new BFF 0.5 outputs more log messages, and error is the same : initialisation of the servoboard failed.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 16:02:48 PM
Citation de: njz3 le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 15:40:13 PM
The new BFF 0.5 outputs more log messages, and error is the same : initialisation of the servoboard failed.



Taiwan power supply is 110V
I don't speak english sorry~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 18:17:09 PM
Citation de: Tibal le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 10:50:54 AM
It's a too low quality to see, but you should have :
pin R- R+ T- T+ of the FFBC respectively connected to pin 5 6 7 8 of the driveboard

FFB PRO

pin5>>tx+
pin6>>tx-
pin7>>rx+
pin8>>rX-

is it right or not
I guess the sega midi may be faulty :P
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Tibal le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 18:32:09 PM
No, it's the other way around
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 06:34:06 AM
Citation de: Tibal le Lundi 09 Août 2021, 18:32:09 PM
No, it's the other way around

FFB PRO
pin5>>tx-
pin6>>tx+
pin7>>rx-
pin8>>rX+

The test does not work, guess sega midi failure

Thanks~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 07:28:40 AM
For me, this is not the good order.

Please double check the connection order. On the midi board, the pin 1 is identified by a triangle.

(https://gamoovernet.pixhotel.fr/pics_gamoovernet890px/20210810072943-aganyte-20200805114154-aganyte-Sega-FFB-Controler-To-Midi-Driver-Board.png) (https://gamoovernet.pixhotel.fr/pics/20210810072943-aganyte-20200805114154-aganyte-Sega-FFB-Controler-To-Midi-Driver-Board.png)

FFB Controller   -> Midi board
       Rx-                    5
       Rx+                   6
       Tx-                    7
       Tx+                   8

On the FFB Controller, you can read the name of the pin directly on the PCB.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 15:24:50 PM
Citation de: Aganyte le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 07:28:40 AM
For me, this is not the good order.

Please double check the connection order. On the midi board, the pin 1 is identified by a triangle.

(https://gamoovernet.pixhotel.fr/pics_gamoovernet890px/20210810072943-aganyte-20200805114154-aganyte-Sega-FFB-Controler-To-Midi-Driver-Board.png) (https://gamoovernet.pixhotel.fr/pics/20210810072943-aganyte-20200805114154-aganyte-Sega-FFB-Controler-To-Midi-Driver-Board.png)

FFB Controller   -> Midi board
       Rx-                    5
       Rx+                   6
       Tx-                    7
       Tx+                   8

On the FFB Controller, you can read the name of the pin directly on the PCB.

Cool, the system caught the midi version, and the steering wheel is currently corrected. Fortunately, the sega midi board is not abnormal.
thanks~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 15:28:19 PM
 ^-^
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 15:44:27 PM
Citation de: Aganyte le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 15:28:19 PM
^-^

Which pin is the JST RA on the left and right of the steering wheel?
My lines are cut off, I don't know which pin is,
Query google to get the following
19 (1P Right)
20 (2P Right)
21 (1P Left)
22 (2P Left)
23 (1P Up)
24 (2P Up)
25 (1P Down)
26 (2P Down)
But the left and right sides of 1P and 2P cannot work normally.
I don't know which pin position corresponds to the left and right side of the sega pro

Thanks~ ^-
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Mardi 10 Août 2021, 16:11:51 PM
Please use Sega Race TV schematics and "Midi+4 views" firmware.

(https://gamoovernet.pixhotel.fr/pics_gamoovernet890px/20210810161136-aganyte-Screenshot-1.jpg) (https://gamoovernet.pixhotel.fr/pics/20210810161136-aganyte-Screenshot-1.jpg)
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Vendredi 20 Août 2021, 20:16:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nrBqh6r.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/3A5UVw2.png)

I have completed these settings, but ffb does not work properly in the game. Which step am I missing?

The game uses M2emulator
There is an open FFB project

Thanks~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Vendredi 20 Août 2021, 20:17:21 PM
On ne peut pas t'aider avec si peu de détails.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Vendredi 20 Août 2021, 20:45:12 PM
Citation de: Aganyte le Vendredi 20 Août 2021, 20:17:21 PM
On ne peut pas t'aider avec si peu de détails.

(https://i.imgur.com/TkmioQ8.png)
Successfully connected to ffb, the motor rotates to the right

(https://i.imgur.com/cxJCgcd.png)
I set it to PWM_CEN

(https://i.imgur.com/z1dzEZj.png)
Can only choose default

(https://i.imgur.com/QRZvcE3.png)
M2emulator_1.1a successfully identified the vJoy device

(https://i.imgur.com/kK9ztLn.png)
Open FFB mode

But there is no FFB feedback effect in the game,
What am I missing?
Sorry for the trouble

Thanks~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Vendredi 20 Août 2021, 20:57:46 PM
Sur ce coup là, je ne peux pas t'aider. J'ai pris le SSD de dvseb et tout été déjà réglé. Par contre, certains ici devraient pouvoir te répondre.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Tibal le Vendredi 20 Août 2021, 23:37:56 PM
In njz3 archive, there is a tool (i can't remember its name) to test the ffb effects. You should try it.

If it works with this tool, then maybe try an other ROM of Daytona, or try sega rally, as there is a version of Daytona that does not support ffb.
You may have to create a control set for each game you try (not sure though)

If it doesn't work with the tool, sorry, I can't help you.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Samedi 21 Août 2021, 15:35:08 PM
How to use njz3 tool to test ffb effect?
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Samedi 21 Août 2021, 18:13:28 PM
Working fine
Test Daytona USA can work normally!!
Very good machine board,
Test other games
thank you all ^-^ ^-^

Aganyte is awesome!!! ^-^ ^-^

Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Samedi 21 Août 2021, 19:22:21 PM
 ^-^
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Dimanche 05 Septembre 2021, 17:10:18 PM
Do you support mame?
Using ffb arcade plus 2.0.07, mame.ini is set up, and ffb cannot work normally when opening the game
Or am I missing something? :'(

thanks
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Dimanche 05 Septembre 2021, 17:14:09 PM
Yes, it work with my Dvseb SSD (probably with Boomslang plugin).
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Lundi 13 Septembre 2021, 01:40:21 AM
mame is working normally, the version is wrong, and the replacement version to 0.199 has worked normally, ^-^

May I ask the setting of the lamp, is the connection of View1 Lamp + gnd normal?
The bulb uses 6.3v

mame64.exe outrun -output windows
Use the internally set Control Set
The code does not work properly, which side of me is wrong?

thanks for the reply
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: njz3 le Lundi 13 Septembre 2021, 07:48:35 AM
Hi simulate,
First test your electronics and lamps by manually activating the outputs from the BFF.
To do that, open the BFF in the "Outputs" page, then click in the checkbox on the left and see whether your lamps are lighted.
If this does not work then you have a hardware issue.
If this test is a success, then please try to follow how to configure a game from the tutorial of gojirien.
Please give screenshots of your software configuration.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Jeudi 16 Septembre 2021, 13:57:29 PM
hi njz3
I used your method, but the light does not work,
(https://i.imgur.com/JIVmCXO.jpg)

I didn't use ULN2003, only sega FFB Pro provided by Aganyte,
(https://i.imgur.com/QsXDFR1.jpg)

Foot use
START LAMP+GND
VIEW 1 LAMP+GND,
(https://hico-srv022.pixhotel.fr/sites/default/files/styles/gamoovernet890px/public/gamoovernet/20210810161136-aganyte-Screenshot-1.jpg)

Do you still need ULN2003 to work normally?
Thanks~
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: dvseb le Jeudi 16 Septembre 2021, 14:14:27 PM
Foot use
START LAMP+GND
VIEW 1 LAMP+GND

It's false !


The Good is :

START LAMP + + 5V
VIEW 1 LAMP + + 5V

On the ffb pro : start lamp is : pin 51 and view 1 lamp is pin 53
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Jeudi 16 Septembre 2021, 14:50:34 PM
Citation de: simulate le Jeudi 16 Septembre 2021, 13:57:29 PM
I didn't use ULN2003, only sega FFB Pro provided by Aganyte,

The ULN2003 is include in the Sega FFB Contoller Pro.
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: simulate le Vendredi 17 Septembre 2021, 03:38:21 AM
hi dvseb
You are right to work properly ^-

Thanks to Aganyte. njz3. dvseb for the instruction
Learned a lot of knowledge
thanks ^-^ ^-^
Titre: FFB CONTROLLER PRO + PC
Posté par: Aganyte le Vendredi 17 Septembre 2021, 07:01:17 AM
 ^-^